and the way it was sold is that there were some very specific pr companies based in new york and in london who actually still seem to be in the pay of the gaddafi regime, who engaged in a very complex and sophisticated program to convince europe and the united states. the facts are very different. treating him like a respectable statesman. they have extended the life of this very old dictator and certainly have allowed him to act with even more impunity against his own people, under the claim that any dissident was a terrorist, and it made democracy difficult, and it actually made what the libyans are trying to do now very difficult. in my opinion, it is a disgraceful judgment and at best a diplomatic negligence. tavis: so let me ask, having said all of that, what you may then of the u.n. resolution and the military activity that has followed that resolution -- what you make of it. >> i think the libyan people, you have to remember now that other countries are involved. this is very much a libyan revolution. it is a revolution that was started with grass roots, by women and men, by lawyers